religious argument

so having some kind of social intercourse with some other people with whom we go to church, earlier today..... when some kind of religious argument broke out

we'll mention it here as it speaks to the point we were making earlier about the deep confusion suffered by the supreme court justices in america.......... cannot but think some of the 'demons' (mistaken conceptions) my friend and interlocutor from today's argument suffers from are probably the same held by afore-mentioned confused 'justices'

be it mentioned it passing, it is extremely obnoxious to hear from a fool, and one who pretends to know, but is shown not to know, words of condescension like: 'we'll pray for God to show you the Truth,' and 'hopefully, God will forgive you for not agreeing with me (as i am right, and you are wrong, is the inference)

i really took my friend, a Libra, capable of logic and balance, to task for coming across in this way as it is a very obnoxious thing, if we can't be friends anymore, no matter: Jesus said not to think he came in peace but instead to turn brother and sister against each-other, and so forth, pretty sure that's in the bible somewhere

now what we find repulsive from these bigoted christians, whether texans or russians or wherever they're from, is what most well-intentioned atheists, let's take Alan Colmes for an example....... find obnoxious: the wilful departure from science

in fact, for me, it's not just a departure from science, but a departure from the Bible!

the old testament says: ashes to ashes, dust to dust......... in physics we say that energy is never destroyed but transformed, and the assumption - and fact, is that all carbon atoms (and other elements) necessary for making a human body, must end up in the bosom of this planet we're on, unless a space-ship or rocket or something removes them from earth's gravity

but not to your average bigoted, jerk, arsehole, moron, well-meaning, go and ruin the middle-east for centuries with his bombs, christians......... for these guys, Jesus dies once! but a second time? maybe not, maybe he just wanders off into a cloud to 'Heaven' (which they can't define)......... what happens to the carbon atoms that constituted his body? do they go back to the Earth (ashes to ashes?) not for my friend the bigoted christian, who we might as well call: average christian

no they don't........ the fear of death (which francis bacon refers to as something men go to like a scared child towards the darkness) compels them to make up all kinds of un-scientific hooplah, to avoid its reality: carbon cells necessary for a body can magically disappear from planet earth's gravity because 'God can do whatever, that's why he's God' (as if He didn't have to follow his own Order).........why? because only in this way can they keep their crummy body for their crummy resurrection: whenever..........

so i put it to my friend: how about Lazarus, we agree he died clinically, in scientific terms, and that Jesus resuscitated him or 'resurrected' him, if you will....... not the the physical state he had seven years prior to that when all the cells in his body were different (all body cells are different every seven years - even brain cells).... but the body he had just before dying, why didn't he have a 'final judgement'? and why didn't Jesus appear to him in Heaven when he was 'dead' (body was clinically dead)........ how old was he when he died the second time? etc........... my friend has no answers, once departing from scientific principles, such as: elements from the Earth's bosom, such as carbon, nitrogen, etc, that constitute the human body STAY on earth after the expiration of the body. My friend goes on to say that in the bible, Enoch and some other characters, magically 'ascend' to heaven with their bodies where their bodies still abide

the entire notion that the kingdom of heaven is a spiritual kingdom pertaining to the spiritual ego in man, which survives death and often reincarnates into the bodies of newborn babies, is utterly alien to them........they MUST have the same crummy physical body in the resurrection! all they know about spirituality depends on their piece of garbage physical body! and if they were a cripple in life, guess what, they'll be whole in the resurrection......... so to challenge my friend, i put it to here that in science, (although it still may remain unproven with regard to the brain cells), the general consensus is that every seven years the body's cells ALL replenish themselves and replace themselves so that NONE of the cells in your body NOW actually existed SEVEN years ago.........so what about her theory her body's cells would survive forever in some kind of resurrection? (our Alan Colmes, and anyone with an inkling of scientific sense would realize this is absurd) which cells would they be? my friend responds, they could be her ninety year old body's cells! she doesn't know, but is happy to act condescending and refuse to entertain other arguments, instead falling on some mantra of arguments that i'm not listening to her, etc........nobody can stand someone that doesn't know, pretending to know...... that's the worse part of ignorance, if you cannot give a reasonable answer, you should just say, look i don't know.........the notion that i might know something she doesn't know was anathema to her also, she had to insist on her sources (we all have our sources!)

it didn't matter how you brought it back to the case of Lazarus (she was able to grudgingly admit that he might have died a 'normal' death, later on in life) or science or carbon cells or whatever, she is bought and sold by some evil-doers who came along during the council of Nicea or whenever and manipulated things in the Bible or else people just started believing what helped them to justify their fondest hope (of keeping their own physical body) -- which is a very childish belief, when you realize that you can't even keep your own physical body for seven years!

neither is it desirable to wish for all your memories when so many old people suffer from dementia and memory loss!......... but unfortunately, ignorance is extremely rank and common amongst the so-called 'christians' of today so that in the end, you cannot end up but recalling nietzsche's words: that all things run shifty and dishonorable in those with theological blood......... who can blame the jews for finding certain so-called christian arguments irrational? or the 'atheists' for that matter? there have been a great deal of scientific, intelligent thinking people who considered themselves atheists! better a thinker and a seeker than a satisfied buffoon with idiot ideas of keeping his ridiculous and pathetic body as if it were important to her to have blonde hair for eternity, nitwit!

but don't be surprised to realize: this is basically 98% of christians today, such as the confused five 'supreme court justices' in america, the catholics around the world, ALL of them! when it comes to death, they are lost! and death is a huge part of christianity - e.g., Lazarus' death, and the crucifixion of Jesus too

once my friend and her husband, started their ignorant laughter at my assertion that Jesus did not clinically die on the cross at all and that the Bible doesn't say he did either, it in fact says he gave up the Holy Ghost (which came about for the first time when he was baptized by John in the Jordan)...... oh but he was poked with a spear and water came out? says who? some paedophile in the third century? and why is it so important to you to prove he was clinically dead then, like Lazarus........ more glory or something? but where did the cells that constituted his body end up? do you think i will be reading the idiot Bill O'Reilly's book to find out the answer to that question? No! fool, i won't be! because i know that unless it leaves earth's atmosphere in a flying vehicle like a space-ship from a different planet or a rocket, his body must have died (it would have in fact been after he lived well over one hundred years of age in the north of Palestine in seclusion in a town reasonable well known at the time - go and read H. Spencer Lewis' books to learn more about that), his body must have expired at some point, same as Lazarus, and returned 'dust to dust'............ and anything else is un-Biblical hooplah that denies the Biblical notion of 'ashes to ashes and dust to dust' --- just ask any Jewish scholar of the old testament about that

fucking christians! idiots! with their idiot condescension, 'oh i'll pray for you to be well-informed like me', jerks........thank God there's such a thing as Islam and its Koran which is much clearer in everything, although what a pity we have all these inbred spastic moslems, too severely inbred to ever contribute anything worthwhile to America's gene-pool ever again and their arch nemesis to bump heads with: the bigoted un-scientific, un-Biblical idiot christians with their fond wishes to retain their pathetic bodies for eternity!

Could God have found a better pairing than that? The spastic inbred and the cretin?! Looks like a match made in Heaven! Peaches and cream! Ptah!

Ptah! Idiot!

as interested parties in Christianity, we are reminded of the parable of the vineyard workers...... you'll see if you are not a complete fucking imbecile cretin (pardon my French) like the 98% afore-mentioned christians, that these so-called 'christians' (the vast majority of today's 'christians') are in fact the loafers, loafing around in the village square like unemployed illegal alien mexicans in the united states, and when the Boss asks them: why aren't you working? they will say, we have no work to do! and then they'll go and do their shitty one hour's work and the Boss will pay them the same as you who have been working for him all the long day!